Ep. 251: Triple Eight Distillery with Randy Hudson and Bryan Jennings Show Notes

Randy Hudson and Bryan Jennings on The Notch, Nantucket, and One of American Single Malt’s Original Island Stories

This episode takes us to Massachusetts for the first time on The Whiskey Ring Podcast, and more specifically to Nantucket.

That alone gives this one a different shape. Nantucket has a particular image for most people: beaches, summer crowds, boats, money, wind, weather, beer, wine, and maybe the vague sense that if you stare hard enough from Long Island Sound you can almost see it, though I would not recommend building travel plans around that. What most people probably do not think of first is world-class American single malt.

And yet, that is where Triple Eight Distillery comes in.

I’m joined this week by founder and master blender Randy Hudson and head distiller Bryan Jennings to talk about Triple Eight, Cisco Brewers, Nantucket Vineyard, and The Notch, one of the oldest and most important American single malt whiskies in the country. I came to Triple Eight through Lost Lantern, specifically through the American single malt for Scotch lovers set that Adam and Nora put together earlier in 2026, and that was a pretty good doorway. Three different Notch single malts, three different windows into what Nantucket maturation can do, and a reminder that American single malt has stories much older than the recent category conversation might suggest.

Triple Eight is one of those stories.

The distillery sits inside the larger Cisco ecosystem, alongside the brewery and winery, on an island 30 miles out in the North Atlantic. It is one of the earliest post-Prohibition craft distilleries in the United States, and The Notch first appeared at a time when most American whiskey drinkers were not exactly clamoring for domestic single malt. That has changed, of course, but Triple Eight was there before the vocabulary caught up.

This conversation gets into the origin of Cisco Brewers, the early winery license, the start of whiskey distillation around 2000, guidance from George McClements and later John Ramsay, why single malt made sense because of the brewing equipment already in place, long fermentation, Maris Otter, Chevalier, column and pot stills, barrels, blending, Nantucket’s strange and beautiful maturation climate, the 8-, 12-, and 15-year-old Notch releases, the forthcoming 25th anniversary bottling, and why a distillery so well known among whiskey nerds can still be overshadowed on its own property by a brewery with hundreds of thousands of annual visitors.

In other words, a nice quiet island chat. Naturally, it includes clown whiskey.

Cisco Brewers, Nantucket Vineyard, and the Start of Triple Eight

Randy starts the story with Cisco Brewers.

Cisco began in 1995 with Randy and his wife, Wendy. She was the original homebrewer, and Randy describes himself as a little obsessive about things that have to do with food, which is a perfectly reasonable category to put beer into. The brewery started on the grounds of an existing winery owned by Dean and Melissa Long, who gave them space to lease while Randy and Wendy worked for the winery. By 2000, the brewery, winery, and another partner had combined forces because, as Randy puts it, they all needed one another.

The first distilling was tied to wine, through a winery license and fortified wine production, but they quickly recognized that the brewery gave them the infrastructure for something more ambitious. They already had the mashing and lautering equipment for barley. What they needed, essentially, was the distilling side and enough nerve to see where it could go.

Randy hired George McClements, who had worked with Inver House and Bowmore, and George helped get them distilling whiskey in the fall of 2000.

That makes Triple Eight an exceptionally early American craft distilling story. In the interview, we talked through the licensing timeline a bit because the details are slightly slippery depending on whether you are talking about the winery license, the commercial distilling license, or the later farm distillery designation in Massachusetts. Bryan clarified that the federal license was issued in 1997 under the winery license, when they were distilling wine for fortified wine. The farm distilling license came later, and Triple Eight became the second under that structure.

However you slice it, this is early. Very early. The kind of early where the list of post-Prohibition craft distilleries in America still had single digits and the room did not yet have enough chairs.

Why Single Malt?

One of the more interesting parts of Triple Eight’s story is that single malt was not a grand act of category strategy in the way we might describe it now.

Randy is clear that they never limited themselves to making only single malt. If anything, Triple Eight has always been curious, maybe to a fault, about making all kinds of spirits. Vodka, gin, rum, brandy, whiskey, fortified wine, and other experiments all belong somewhere in the broader Cisco/Nantucket Vineyard/Triple Eight world.

Single malt made sense because the brewery was already built for it.

The brewery was lautering for beer production, and that equipment was much better suited to malted barley than to bourbon or rye. Whole-grain corn or rye mashes would have required a significantly different setup, including the kind of tube-and-shell heat exchangers used to cool entire grain-on mashes. They were not going to build that system just to make bourbon. What they had could make single malt, and single malt, in turn, gave them a path that fit both their equipment and the island.

That is one of those constraints that seems limiting at first and then, 25 years later, looks like a gift wearing a slightly inconvenient hat.

American single malt was not fashionable when Triple Eight began making it. It barely had a consumer category, and it certainly did not have the formal recognition it has now. But because they came from beer and wine, because the infrastructure was there, and because the island seemed like a place where whisky could age beautifully, single malt became the long-term goal.

Sometimes the future category leader is just the thing your mash tun was willing to tolerate.

George McClements, John Ramsay, and Learning Without a Playbook

When Randy and the team started, there were not many people in the United States doing what they were doing.

Randy did speak with Steve McCarthy at Clear Creek, but he says that was really the only person stateside he had talked to before they got going. Steve had his own model, his own footprint, and his own plan. Triple Eight needed something different. They needed help making single malt from beer infrastructure on an island, with no domestic category playbook and no pile of American examples to study.

That brought in George McClements.

George’s Bowmore background made the island connection tempting from the outside, and Randy acknowledges that they did think Nantucket’s environment had some similarity to Islay. But that was not the main reason they hired him. George was knowledgeable, and importantly for a tiny early distillery, affordable. They had looked at Jim Swan too, but he was outside the budget.

John Ramsay came later, after his work with Edrington, The Famous Grouse, Macallan, Highland Park, and Glenrothes. His role seems to have been less about getting the whole thing started and more about helping Triple Eight think through blending, maturation, and the finer points of what The Notch could become.

There is a nice humility in that part of the story. Triple Eight was early, but it was not trying to be early by pretending it already knew everything. It knew enough to know it needed help.

That may be one of the more underrated traits in a young distillery. Confidence matters, yes, but so does the ability to look at a still, a fermenter, a barrel, and an island climate and say, “We need a grown-up in the room.”

Randy, Bryan, and the Long-Tenured Island Team

Randy did not start out as a whiskey drinker. He was a beer drinker who became a brewer, then followed the natural evolution from beer into whiskey. He did not grow up in a whiskey family, and he jokes that he hopes that does not disqualify him.

It clearly did not.

Bryan’s path was different. He was living in Colorado, working for a nonprofit, and also working in fine dining through Vail Resorts. People who moved between Colorado winters and Nantucket summers kept telling him to come to the island, so eventually he did. He met the Cisco crew, met the woman who would become his wife, and found himself gradually pulled into the orbit of the place. A favor delivering beer turned into time behind the bar, which turned into a full-time production role when they learned he had science degrees and had grown up on a farm in Arkansas.

Agriculture and science, as Bryan says, go hand in hand in this industry.

What struck me in that part of the conversation is how much the distillery benefits from a small, long-tenured team. Bryan describes it as an incredibly satisfying place to work because the operation is so broad. It is not only whiskey. It is gin, rum, brandy, beer, wine, cider, fruit fermentations, apple brandy, and whatever else the island laboratory coughs up next. There is a winemaking background, brewing background, distilling background, agricultural background, and a degree of creative freedom that a more narrowly focused spirits company might not offer.

Randy adds the more practical island piece: Nantucket has a limited talent pool, so treating people well is not optional. When people show capability, they get autonomy. They get room to create. That does not happen everywhere, and it probably helps explain why Triple Eight can have a small team doing such oddly ambitious work.

Small island, limited labor, broad production world. Not the worst recipe.

Nantucket as Ingredient

Nantucket is not just the place where Triple Eight happens to be. It is part of the whiskey.

I asked whether there was any evidence of legal or illicit distilling on Nantucket before Triple Eight. Randy and Bryan said there are rumors, especially around rum, and Bryan wants to dig into the Nantucket Historical Association archives to see whether those references point to actual rum production or simply the island’s place in the rum trade. Given how isolated the island was in the 1700s and 1800s, it is hard to imagine nobody was making something somewhere over an open fire, but that is a different question from a documented distilling tradition.

What is clearer is that Nantucket has become part of The Notch itself.

Randy says they had an intuition that the island could be an excellent place to age whiskey. They do not lean too heavily on the water story because water stories can get cliche quickly, but the natural resources, the air, the climate, and the island environment all contribute. Bryan goes even further, describing Nantucket as having something special in the air, land, sea, and water. The island is 30 miles out in the North Atlantic, but also close enough to the Gulf Stream that it runs warmer than the Cape, creating a maturation environment that is neither Scotland nor Kentucky nor a simple coastal novelty.

The old comparison to Islay is understandable because both are islands, both have ocean air, and George McClements had a Bowmore connection. But Nantucket is not Islay in American clothes. It is its own thing: pastoral, seasonal, expensive, isolated, and surrounded by weather that never asked permission from anyone’s spreadsheet.

Bryan tells a story about a visiting distiller flying over the island, looking down, and asking what kind of crazy person puts a distillery all the way out there. Economically, he admits, it was not the obvious choice for producing whiskey.

That may be precisely why the whiskey is interesting.

Triple Eight for Luck, Sort Of

The name Triple Eight has a story, and the story is gloriously unserious in the right way.

Randy says it came from partner Dean Long, who had grown up around Chinese merchants in New Jersey using “triple eight” in business names because eight is associated with luck. Dean liked that, and he liked the built-in tagline: Triple Eight for luck.

They have never used the tagline.

There is also a water-source version of the story, tied to a well on the property. Randy says that came later, almost as a way to naturalize or justify the name. One of the wells was given a little building with Triple Eight on it and became the Triple Eight Well, but the name itself predates that. The real reason, by Randy’s own admission, is that they have no great reason to be called Triple Eight.

Honestly, I love that.

Whiskey names often arrive wearing a powdered wig and carrying a fake family tree. Triple Eight shows up, shrugs, mentions luck, points at a well, and refuses to make the mythology too neat.

Fermentation, Yeast, and Stocking the Pantry

Once we got into production, Bryan corrected a few things from the research, which is exactly why the interview - not my notes - is the document of record here.

The Notch is fermented off-grain, and the team may use a mix of distilling and brewing yeast, but it is not open-top fermentation. The tanks are stainless steel and typically use an airlock, allowing CO2 to escape while keeping things from going back in. The tanks do have jackets, but they do not use them for temperature control.

Instead, they ride it out.

Fermentation is long, especially by American whiskey standards. Bryan says five to seven days is the minimum, but they often go 14 days, sometimes 21, and sometimes experiment even longer. After primary fermentation, they allow what they call a bacterial rest. That pushes the whiskey into territory that has more in common with some rum, Cognac, or Armagnac thinking than with quick, clean, grain-spirit efficiency.

Bryan is clear that the purpose is not tradition for tradition’s sake. He has drawn inspiration from rum producers, Cognac, Armagnac, Barbados, Saint Lucia, and elsewhere, but the lesson is not to copy. It is to ask what actually works for the spirit in front of them.

The backbone of The Notch is floor-malted Maris Otter and heirloom malt, with a mix of brewer’s and distiller’s yeast. Changing the brewer’s yeast changes the attributes. Changing the barley type changes the attributes. Changing the malting process changes the attributes. Bryan talks about Chevalier, Munich, Vienna, peated malt, and different roasts, all of which become components Randy can use on the blending side.

I like Bryan’s phrase “stocking the pantry” because it fits the place. Triple Eight does not feel like a distillery built around one industrial process and endless repetition. It feels like a production world full of useful ingredients, all waiting for the right blend, the right age, or the right moment to explain why they were worth making in the first place.

Maris Otter, Chevalier, and the Beauty of Waiting

Maris Otter remains the backbone malt for The Notch.

That came from the brewing side, where it had already been used for flavor despite lower yield. In brewing, Maris Otter has long had a reputation for depth and character, and Triple Eight carried that over into whiskey. The question, naturally, is how much the grain defines The Notch and how much the island does once the spirit goes into cask.

Triple Eight has worked with American-grown barley, but not for The Notch itself. Bryan mentions barrels made from U.S.-grown and malted barley, including malt from a local maltster and from Todd Leopold, but those are still developing.

Chevalier is another one to watch. The team has whiskey made with Chevalier malt, and Bryan says that around four years it was good but not necessarily better as a standalone release. More recently, as some of it has reached eight years, the whiskey has become much more interesting. The congeners are developing, the conversions are coming through, and suddenly something that may not have seemed worthy of isolation earlier might have an educational or artistic purpose now.

Randy has never been especially interested in single barrel releases for their own sake. His blending philosophy is to put components together and try to get three from one plus one. But with something like Chevalier, there may be value in isolating a component to show people what contributes beauty to the larger blend.

That is a very different way to think about single barrels. Less trophy hunting, more classroom with better glassware.

Pot Stills, Column Stills, and Three Ways to Make Whiskey

Triple Eight has more production flexibility than a casual glance might suggest.

Bryan explains that they have two stills. One is a straight-neck pot still with optional plates and a dephlegmator, originally purchased from a brandy distillery in the Hood River area around 1999 or 2000. In 2016, they added a column still with a second column, or bar bay, more commonly associated with Armagnac production.

That setup gives them multiple ways to work with the same raw ingredients. They can double-pass through the pot still, single-pass through the column still, or strip through the column and finish on the pot. Bryan once presented three whiskies made from the same malt, same yeast, similar fermentation time, and similar conditions, with distillation as the major variable. A room of more than 100 distillers and industry people voted on their favorite, and the result was basically a three-way split.

That is both amusing and useful. It suggests that the methods are not a ladder from worst to best. They are tools, and preference depends on what someone wants from the spirit.

Randy says the column distillate is typically lighter than the double pot distillate. Bryan adds that even within those categories, he can operate the stills differently, bringing spirit off at different proofs and making stylistic choices along the way.

The key point is not that Triple Eight is experimenting for the sake of experiment. It is that the same raw material can become meaningfully different whisky depending on the path it takes through the stills, and that gives Randy more structure to work with later.

Clown Whiskey and Other Necessary Disasters

Not everything works.

Randy admits that Triple Eight has made some terrible things over the years that did not go into bottles, and in the episode he gives one of those projects a name: clown whiskey.

That is not a phrase I expected to type in a serious discussion of American single malt, but here we are, richer for it.

The clown whiskey came from ridiculously long fermentation and even barrel fermentation, fermented for years before distillation. Randy compares it to high-ester rum, the kind of thing that may eventually have value as a blending tool in small amounts, but is currently too bizarre to fit neatly anywhere.

Bryan mentions another set of experiments that came from barrel-aged beer. A previous brewer had a large barrel-aging program, including something in the saison world aged in ex-Chardonnay barrels. Some of those barrels were not going to be bottled as beer, so they distilled them. Some of the results were interesting. Some were shocking.

That is the cost of having a production culture with a wide creative field. You get The Notch. You also get clown whiskey lurking somewhere in the warehouse, waiting for the day it becomes useful or legally changes its name.

Barrels, Small-Barrel Resistance, and The Notch Style

Triple Eight avoided one of the great early craft whiskey traps: small barrels.

I asked whether there was ever temptation to use smaller barrels, especially when so many young American craft distilleries were doing exactly that. Randy’s answer was immediate: none. Zero.

The reason is extraction. Small barrels can overemphasize extractive wood flavors, and George McClements was adamant early on that Triple Eight should not use new wood at all. They followed that advice. Later, curiosity led them toward some new French oak or French-coopered barrels, which could be mellower and less aggressively woody, and John Ramsay supported that exploration. But small barrels were never part of the plan.

The core of The Notch is built around larger casks and patience.

For the 12-year-old, Randy describes the goal as less about finishing barrels and more about the nature of what comes out of the distillery itself. It is the house style, and more than nine out of 10 barrels are first-fill bourbon.

The 8-year-old has a different purpose. It was inspired by a Bill Lumsden release and uses scraped, toasted, re-toasted red wine barrels, bringing livelier fruit and vibrancy into a younger expression. That fits with my experience tasting the 8-year, which had a distinct beachy quality, maritime without much salt, and a buttery lift that felt summery without becoming frivolous.

The 15-year-old began with heavier sherry influence. The first release used true ex-sherry barrels rather than seasoned sherry barrels, and Randy says they simply have not been able to find anything quite like those barrels again. Good sherry casks are expensive and hard to find, so the 15-year has pulled back a bit from full sherry-bomb territory toward something more broadly balanced.

That makes the core lineup feel less like three rungs on an age ladder and more like three expressions of the island and the blending room. The 8-year has energy. The 12-year carries the house. The 15-year stretches into older, deeper cask language without letting the cask swallow the whisky whole.

The Notch: Released Before the Market Was Ready

The Notch first came out in 2008, which is still a slightly absurd thing to say about an American single malt.

At that point, American single malt barely existed as a consumer category. Randy says they had no real concept of who the audience was. The audience was them. The whiskey seemed interesting, appealing, and promising, and they were not marketers. They were making something they wanted to make.

That first release also leaned all the way into the Triple Eight theme. It came out on 8/8/08 and was priced at $888. That is a statement bottle whether or not you planned it that way.

The packaging has its own story. The current bottles have a curved, decanter-like shape and use metal badges because paper labels did not behave well on the glass. Randy says the first bottles were essentially decanters his partner found at a time when there were few stock bottle options available to small producers. Paper labels were used at first, but they crinkled. Eventually the metal badges came in.

It is funny to think about now, because The Notch has become such a serious whiskey, but so much of the early presentation seems to have come from problem-solving rather than luxury-brand calculation. They found a bottle. The bottle looked good. The paper label hated the bottle. Metal won.

That is craft distilling in one small object.

The 25th Anniversary Release

The forthcoming 25th anniversary Notch is a fascinating blending project.

Randy explains that the very first barrel Triple Eight filled is included in the blend. The idea was to create something from the first 21 years of production, with at least one barrel from every year through 2021. By including a barrel that was at least four years old, they could release it without an age statement while still telling a much broader story than a single age number would allow.

I asked what the whiskey tasted like after 21 years. Randy’s answer was “pretty intense,” which feels about right. That first barrel had started in ex-bourbon, moved into a used Merlot barrel that did not give the results they wanted, then went back into ex-bourbon and was essentially forgotten about.

There is something deeply satisfying about that barrel ending up in the anniversary release. Not because every old barrel is automatically good, and not because age alone should impress anyone, but because it brings the literal beginning of Triple Eight whiskey into the bottle. A quarter-century release with the first barrel inside it is not just a blend. It is a time capsule that decided to become drinkable.

Assuming, of course, that Randy and Bryan do not need another 20 years before answering what the legacy is.

American Single Malt and the 160-Proof Question

The American Single Malt regulations came up, and Randy’s answer was, politely, spicy.

He was never a fan of limiting production proof to 160. His argument is that American distillers put themselves at a competitive disadvantage by giving up a tool. Triple Eight has found examples in its own production where the whiskey tasted better coming off the still at 163, 167, somewhere just above the new limit. That is not neutral-spirit territory. It is not stripping everything out. It is a few proof points above the line, and for Randy, losing that range limits artistic breadth.

Bryan notes that many other traditions, including rum, Cognac, Armagnac, and Scotch whisky, allow or use higher distillation proofs in various contexts. The frustration is not theoretical for Triple Eight. It comes from years of using different still configurations and distillation decisions to build flavor.

At the same time, both Randy and Bryan recognize the value of getting the standard of identity across the finish line. Bryan says the category debate was also heavily focused on allowing used bourbon barrels, which is a major departure from many American whiskey norms and essential for producers like Triple Eight.

They also would have preferred clearer restrictions around production methods. Randy says single malt should have required lautering, and Bryan is not generally a fan of on-grain fermentation and distillation for 100% malted barley, though he allows for exceptions. But they did not want to force every producer into their own ideals, and they voiced reservations as part of the process.

That is the tricky part of category building. Standards help, but every line drawn also leaves a fingerprint. The American Single Malt category is better for existing, but producers like Triple Eight are a reminder that the oldest practitioners may not fit neatly into every compromise the category needed to make.

Scarcity, Distribution, and the Trouble With Being Known and Unknown

The Notch is famously hard to get.

Part of that is production. There simply is not much of it, especially at 8, 12, and 15 years old. Part of it is distribution. Bryan notes that they recently began working with a new online distributor that can ship to more than 40 states where legal, which should help, but spirits distribution remains a complicated, state-by-state swamp creature.

Randy says lack of marketing and the cost of the whiskey are probably the biggest barriers. Bryan adds that they have been cautious because they are only now really nailing down the look, supply chain, and full consumer experience. COVID created problems beyond wine supply chains. Corks broke. Tops separated. Labels had adhesive issues. Badges had adhesive issues. Ink could smear. Boxes and bottles created headaches.

When someone is paying serious money for a bottle of whiskey, the liquid can be excellent and the experience can still be damaged by a cork failure or label problem. Bryan is clear that they do not want to make promises in distribution until they know the whole package is where it needs to be. The 25th anniversary release will bring an evolved look, still connected to the existing aesthetic, but moving forward.

There is another strange layer here too: Triple Eight is both famous and not famous.

Among serious American single malt drinkers, The Notch is known. Among visitors to Nantucket, Cisco Brewers is the giant. Bryan points out that Triple Eight is overshadowed by Cisco’s success and name, while Randy jokes that many whiskey podcast listeners may know Triple Eight and The Notch without knowing much about Cisco at all. Meanwhile, hundreds of thousands of visitors come to the brewery every year and may not think of the property as a serious whiskey destination.

That is a bizarre but very real brand problem. The whiskey nerd knows The Notch. The tourist knows Cisco. The distillery sits there in the middle, quietly making some of the best American single malt in the country while someone nearby is probably ordering a blueberry vodka drink.

There are worse problems to have, but it is still a problem.

What Triple Eight’s Legacy Might Be

I closed by asking Randy and Bryan what they think Triple Eight’s legacy will be.

Bryan asked if he could have 20 years to answer. Fair.

Randy’s answer was more immediate, and also telling. Even though Triple Eight is one of the oldest small distilleries in the country, and even though they are putting out a 25th anniversary release, he still thinks of the distillery as young, still nascent in terms of mastery. His hope is that Triple Eight is seen as constantly getting better, forever improving.

That is a striking answer from a distillery with this much history behind it.

It would be easy for Triple Eight to lean fully into the pioneer story: seventh post-Prohibition craft distillery, one of the earliest American single malt producers, The Notch arriving in 2008, major awards, long-aged whiskey, island maturation, all the resume lines stacked neatly in the trophy cabinet. Those things are true, and they are important.

But Randy and Bryan do not talk as if the story is already finished. They talk about getting the whiskey to more people, improving the full bottle experience, refining the look, and continuing to understand what Nantucket whisky can be.

That is probably the healthier legacy. Not just that Triple Eight was early, but that it stayed alive to get better.

What This Episode Is Really About

This episode is about Triple Eight Distillery and The Notch, but it is also about what happens when an accident of place, equipment, and timing becomes a defining whiskey.

Triple Eight did not start with a category white paper. It started with a brewery, a winery, a strange island business ecosystem, a license structure that evolved over time, a consultant from Scotland, a small team, and the realization that the equipment on hand was better suited to single malt than to bourbon. It was practical before it was prophetic.

Then time did the thing whiskey always asks time to do.

The Notch became one of the most important American single malts not because it chased the category, but because it lived long enough for the category to catch up. It has age, yes, but it also has place. Nantucket is in the whisky. The air, the ocean, the temperature swings, the water, the isolation, the sheer inconvenience of making anything out there, all of it makes its way into the story and, more importantly, into the glass.

There is a reason the comparison to Scotch comes up, and there is also a reason it eventually falls short. The Notch may appeal to Scotch drinkers, and Triple Eight learned from Scotland, but this is not imitation Scotch. It is Nantucket single malt whisky, made by people who came through beer, wine, science, farming, blending, and the strange little ecosystem of Cisco.

American single malt is now a formal category. Triple Eight was there before the sign went up. And somehow, after 25 years, Randy and Bryan still talk like the thing is just getting started.

That might be the most exciting part.

Triple Eight Distillery

Website: https://www.tripleeightdistillery.com/

The Notch Whisky / Shop: https://ciscosocialclub.com/collections/the-notch-whisky

Cisco Brewers Nantucket: https://www.ciscobrewers.com/nantucket

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/cisco.social.club/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tripleeightdistillery/

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